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But, this is more of a book debate and the movie will be its own creation. I just never liked Jacob much so maybe I am biased :)
i am still super excited to see the movies, though
I TOTALLY AGREE! HEHEH
like its not his fault that bella is a bitch and decided to fall in love with both of them. she was hurting BOTH edward AND Jacob all throughout eclipse and beginning of breaking dawn.
if u guys want to hate someone, hate bella, not jacob. Jacob isnt the one who cheated on anyone. bella did. jacob couldnt make himself not love her. its not his fault. but bella could have not kissed him and cheated on edward.
its just a book anyways...
Humans. tsk, tsk, tsk......
Without all of these things, Breaking Dawn would be a completely different book or not one at all. I mean, all of those things influence Jacob's choice to leave the pack to protect the Cullens during Bella's pregnancy and then influence the 2nd alliance when the Volutri come for them. People may not like Bella or Jacob in Eclipse but just like New Moon, Eclipse is a necessary evil for the outcome we all want by the end of Breaking Dawn.
First he forces her to kiss him [which was practically mouthrape], then he starts telling her to kiss him or he'd go kill himself.
Though whole "I craved a different set of arms" made my mad at Bella more than I already was. But it could have meant she wanted Jacob right then because it would have been a way of saying he forgives her. Having Edward hold her at that point wouldn't make the pain she caused Jacob go away. She needed his forgiveness. I refuse to see it any other way. If she thought, "I craved a different set of arms" for a different reason, then I just hate Bella. She doesn't deserve Jacob or Edward by the end of New Moon or middle section of Eclipse.
"in the films I want to feel the same" Haha! Well, if you do feel the same, then you know they're doing it right.
Edward only left for Bella's safety. Yeah, it's kinda his fault this whole Jacob/Bella thing started [good job Edward. Look what you did], but I just wish Bella decided to get tough instead of acting like a "zombie."
I hate the fact that after getting engaged she finally sees that she loves Jacob too. What a way to kill it for your fiance Bella.
Bella's an idiot. Edward should have just bit her at the end of Twilight. Then no one would have had to go through this confusion and pain.
As for craving a different set of arms.. it's obvious that it's because she wants a life with him. Not as much as with Edward, but I think that was made quite clear. She loves him -- she said so, and she said she wanted the whole thing with Jake. As for hating her.. why? She ends up with Edward anyway and it's not like she didn't feel remorse for hurting either one of them. She's human and people CAN fall in love with more than one person.
It's clear that she wants Jacob in her life. He was a big part of it; he helped her through her "zombie" stage when she really needed him. She does want him in his life, but not in the same way he wants her, which really annoyed me. The whole tent scene [I think it was the Fire and Ice chapter] is what really made me hate Jacob. He just pissed me off so badly, but whatever. Like you said, she does end up with Edward anyways.
Haha! Well then Bella is one lucky girl to be able to fall in love with two of the greatest fictional characters ever. I can't even get a guy to look at me and yet she has two willing to die for her. x)
He doesn't FORCE her. He just wants her to realize what they both already know because he wants, above all else, to SAVE her life. He has to use a sly tactic or two, but it's because Bella doesn't see reason like she should, even Stephenie Meyer says she doesn't think of the consequences of her actions and Jacob is not a bad person at all, he just wants her to know she has a choice. To him, becoming a vampire is worse than death, and especially being the vampire's natural enemy, that hatred is instinctively bone-deep.
Jacob's entire motivation is his true love for her. How can you fault the kid for sticking to his guns? I find it quite admirable. He knows one day soon she will be one of them and he can't stand it. By the end of Eclipse he accepts that she will never be his. Can you imagine how that must have felt? People have no compassion. Their love triangle was a tragedy with no villains, only victims.
She was very selfish at times.. but it hurt her to hurt them, and she never did it maliciously, which is why I never disliked her. And I keep in mind that they're all teenagers (though Edward's had a lot of practice being one, hence the maturity).. teenagers can be wacky. I'm just glad Stephenie wrote them as good people and not over-the-top teens. Oh, yeah, and as far as Jake.. I also gave him some slack due to the werewolf thing - he became more volatile because of that, so some of his jerkiness came out w/o thinking about it first. And with Edward's somtimes overbearing attitude I forgive because he came from a time when things were quite different, and he always means well. so there.. I'm done rambling. haha.
" knowing how he feels about her, but always absurdly happy when he's there and wanting him around." Well, she's pregnant. Even though the thing was literally killing her from the inside she loved it. After all, one reason she wanted to keep it was because it was Edwards. I don't think she shouldn't be allowed to be happy. Jake really annoyed me in Breaking Dawn. He complained WAY too much. I mean, she was already married and felt the need to mope around. Anyways, while Edward was kind of having his little nervous breakdown, Bella needed someone to be with her. Jake was always known as her personal sun and that's what she needed. I think he should have just gotten over himself and let HER be happy without her having to feel guilty.
Haha! The birth I wish wasn't in Jacob's POV. Especially when it got to the point where he said that he's pictured her many times naked and whatnot but having a bruised belly doesn't do it for him.
That's true. Edward definantly has had a longer expeience at being a teenager, but Bella never really acted like one a whole lot. Jake was the only one who actually seemed to act his age. They all went through weird stages in their life, Bella being caught up in the middle of both. I try to keep an open mind while reading about Jake and what he's gone through. It's just too hard when he's being really annoying and douchey sometimes. Haha! But, whatever. The series is over, everyone had their happy ending and yet some people just don't face that fact. I mean all the Jacob/Bella shippers. Oh well...
Bella at one point does want Jacob that way but she doesnt realize it till the third book when Jacob makes her kiss him....and even then she says she may love him but its not strong enough against the love she has for Edward. and all Jacob did by making her realize this was completely complicate things.ha(thats not in exact wording but you get the picture) soooo....im hoping they dont over do the Jacob thing cuz that would NOT be cool.lol.
I think it's one of the reason this saga is so powerful and why we love it so much, is about love overcoming alot of advesorsy, time and death.
Kristen gets it, she knows you kept help to love someone you can't force love. In New Moon she feels, Bella should love Jacob but knows that to stop loving Edward she would have to remove her own heart.
It's not that Jacob needs her to choose him for his own needs. He loves her and of course he wants to win out over Edward but above all else Jake wants Bella to choose him so she will live out her human life and not become a vampire. In his eyes becoming a vampire is a fate worse than death and he tells her this. He's a werewolf, he instinctively hates vampires---how would you feel if the the girl you fell in love with when her leech abandoned her still chose him in the end despite knowing she loves you as well? Have compassion, people. I mean my god. They were all at fault at one point or another, they are all victims at one point or another. Jacob should not take the brunt of any blame here. His motivations were driven by true love, he has a strong spirit and I love that about him.
because the girl cannot act. instead of looking shy like she did she just looked constipated, stoned and awkwardd
I just watched Into the Wild, powerful film, and FYI to everyone that doesn't have confidence...Kristen can do emotion! from the little bit I seen in this film, she can do it good! And she's a fantastic singer!
Can't wait.
BTW, I like how she's trying to explain the 'women's intuition' thing. It's a true phenomenon for sure. Women do have a tendency to feel when something's 'not right'.
I hope Chris Weitz does a better job.
I can't wait for this movie!!! Or just a a clip or a poster or something!!!
I love his character more than Bella's because I never see him as the 'bad' guy.
I'm also curious about the note he leaves for Charlie. He has to go back to Bella's place and remove the pictures and CD and to get his car. I would love to experience NM from Edwards POV. Its more real to me than Bella's.
While Edward and Bella are hunting for the first time. Edward is kissing Bella and she says "I hadn't imagined that I could love him more than I had. My old mind hadn't been capable of holding this much love. My heart had not been strong enough to bear it." (I guess you can argue that her love only intensified because she's now a vampire)
And you also have to factor the whole Jacob mess. We dont want to hear it but in a way she WAS moving on. Bella is functioning and following the 'pattern of her life'. Even if loving Jacob is a 'sacrifice' for her to make him happy, she does consider him (many, many times).
But Edward just curls up 'lets the misery have him". He does hunt Victoria at times, but he can't even be with his family. Edward would have never moved on.
And the whole Bella becoming a vampire thing. Her motives are selfish IMHO. Edward does everything in his power to prevent this. Even knowing that this will ultimately cost him his own life when she dies. Remember he's in pain every second that they are together. And he also leaves her. His love is about sacrifice and selflessness. (you can argue that he's selfish because he wanted her in the first place, but if you do then their love story wasn't meant to be)
I could list more but it would be too long. Hope that helps. Remember this is my opinion. lol
I think sometimes readers get stuck in the mindset that someone has to be the "bad guy" . . . whether it be Jacob or Bella or Edward. The thing is . . . without any one of them, this story would have a completely different meaning. The story IS Bella's story. It's her journey from being a teenage girl who falls for the wrong guy to becoming a (supernatural) mother who would do anything to protect her family. It is a love story . . . but the LOVE Stephenie writes about is multi-faceted, not just girl meets boy love but family and friendship love.
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New Moon used to be my least favorite of the series. I was literally sobbing over my book. :x I hated Edward for leaving, refused to read anything about Jacob, and skipped right along to the happy ending. *rolls eyes* While revamping the series the second time around, knowing that Edward does indeed come back, I can read all of the parts I skipped and dive right into the entire story. I love Jacob's character, I understand their relationship better, and I also understand why Edward felt he should leave in the first place. It's really a wonderful book. It's a second favorite after Eclipse!
No offense to Team Jacobs though :-)
And I'm really cheering for KStew. I hope she pulls it off this time. I'd be willing to eat all of the bad things I've said about her acting if she manages to not stutter through NM.
But I know other people see Jacob as the victim so I guess it just shows the wide appeal of her writing.
I thought it was heartbreaking for Bella, but I didn't cry. I actually didn't cry once while reading the series.
I didn't feel the need to cry over Jacob's heartbreak. He knows she doesn't love him the way she loved Edward and he kept forcing her to make a choice. And that choice just had to be him or he'd kill himself [okay, so it was "kiss me or I'll kill myself," but it's pretty much the same thing.
She seems to be doing better in interviews and whatnot. That's a step-up at least. I have a feeling that she'll do better in New Moon. Kristen is really a great actress, but I think that it was the directors fault too. I mean, look at the "Revenge of the Sith". Everyone's acing was just terrible and I KNOW Ewan Mcgregor is a great actor, but the directing was just terrible. Maybe now that it's Chris directing, it'll be different.
But yeah, when Bella sees how her life would have been with Jacob... the wedding reception... Bella dying... I was a mess. And then I cried for a good 20 min after I finished BD because it really could have been such an amazing story about life.
Isn't life beautiful because we die? We have to change, otherwise existence is just a really bad imitation of the beauty of the human condition. Really, it's just meaningless if it goes on forever.
Plus, Edward acts like a grandfather. You couldn't pay me enough to spend a week with him, let alone forever.
I agree with everything you said before that, too.
I used to looooooove Edward and then somewhere along the line his perfection and his overbearing creepiness was too much and I was just like, ugh, enough.
I happen to agree with you. I don't full out hate Edward but my wtf moment with him, is when he disabled Bella's truck. That unnerved me quite a bit.
Speaking of which, you know in The Sound of Music when the nuns mess with the Nazis' cars?
Edward's in a habit and Bella's truck won't start and he grins slowly and pulls out random car bits.
Maybe Twilight could be made into a musical hehe.
The whole point of Bella's and Edward's love story is to illustrate what love should be (not the journey). Everyone sacrifices something when you meet your other half. Men and women are very different creatures we don't truly understand each other. What's the divorce rate now %50? So Edward and Bellas love is 'magical' because it doesnt exist-In the essence that we cannot live forever with someone that was created for just us. Someone who completes us, not just shares a life with us.
Regarding Bella and Edwards relationship, I couldn't agree more. Sometimes it seems like they are too different. But that only humanizes them. They are 'one old soul' though and thats what makes them compatible. He gets everthing as in someone that saves him for an empty existance and loves him for who he is. While she gets someone who needs her and also someone who takes care of her and who loves her for who she is.
Unless you come to terms with mortality, you'll be paralyzed by a fear of the unknown. Would you really be able to love openly if you're constantly worrying about death and change? Does being a vampire really eliminate these factors? Just something to think about. Eventually the world will end. And I'm sure James and Victoria thought they'd be together forever...
You also make several assumptions: that there is an ideal love, that each person has "another half" (who is, of course, of the opposite sex and gender), that person was made to complete us, and that men and women are very different (really complex issue. Don't ignore the huge role of culture in determining gender roles. Biological determinism is total crap, also).
Just a thought:
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
~Mark Twain
When I spoke of men and women I was not only thinking about this coupling. Sorry this is a Twilight site, PC comments are out the window.
And maybe I didn't make it clear. I belive and see it with my three brothers, all my girlfriends, my own life and the divorce rate proves it. That men and women are very different. That love exists? Absolutely! That only one other creature was created for us? NOPE! We learn to share a life with someone and we love them and all that, but he/she doesn't complete us. We just share a life of happiness together.
We read books like Twilight because we love the love stories. In a way, we want to belive that that type of love exists for us..somewhere. Its flawed, but we are human. lol
No offense, but I don't agree with people who say Jake "set himself up." Bella used him to make herself feel better/make sure she didn't kill herself just long enough for Edward to re-enter the picture. She admits this all the time and admits how she should stop holding his hand, but she continues to seek him out and give him false hope anyway. You can't blame him for fighting for her, especially when she's sending him mixed signals and getting raunchy with him in the clearing and admitting she loves him. I hate Bella. There, I said it LOL. Maybe that's why I didn't cry when Edward dumped her. I never liked her.
Anywho, that's the abbreviated version of my opinion. Feel free to try to convince me otherwise ; )
I can't blame him for fighting, and I admired that about him. Between him, Leah, Emmett, Jasper, the Volturi (I would so join them), and the wolves they keep me going through another read. I just get to the Jacob stuff and I'm crying like a baby again but worse lol.
And this is long enough. Sorry!
{hops off of my soapbox}
I totally know what you mean about the wedding invite. But for me, the #1 WTF moment was when Bella is all "I'm in love with Edward. But wait, I'm in love with Jacob, too! Hmm, this is some pickle I'm in!" OMG I nearly threw the book out the window. What a greedy snot. At that point I realized that I didn't even want Jacob to have her anymore.
That part irked me too. Midway through Eclipse I was at the point that I didn't want Jacob anywhere near her. I thought that she did not, nor will I ever believe, earn or deserve the loyalty Jacob gave her. Yes he made boneheaded decisions but so did she. So did Edward. Those are just convenitently pushed aside sometimes.
I absolutely loved his POV in BD. It was the only part of the book I really enjoyed. I was LOL-ing the whole time.
Edward was always the one my heart went out to the most :)
I must agree with you on one thing. I did feel bad for Edward because Bella was hurting him too.
But, hey, like I said, nothing against you Team Jacobs out there :)
i couldnt really imagine myself with edward becuz i completely hate the cold and am in love with the sun an the heat and all thos kinds of things so im 100% a jacob lover and i want him! lol
That part made me question their relationship actually. Just because Edward is suppose to be the uber love of her life that she can't live without. Then she falls for Jacob so to speak. I was sorta like what the hale? lol
Again. I like Edward, but he isn't my favorite. I get the whole love conquers all thing. However, with Bella, all I saw during Eclipse and part of BD is her trying to have her cake and eat it too. Edward and Jacob were just stuck in her crossfire. I'm sorry but I just didn't see her giving up everything for him. Although I totally respect your insight, but that's just how I feel about it all. :-) I DO admire her determination, and her drive to protect her family. I will give Bella that.
"Everything in my world was about him."
and,
"Edward: I cannot live without my life! I cannot live without my soul!
Bella" yes. that's my point."
And, she compares her situation to that of Sam and Emily ("It's like Sam and Emily. I never had a choice.")
Sam did love Leah, but the way that he loved Emily was so inexplicably powerful...its truly beyond words. While it hurt him to leave Leah behind (as Jacob says), he had no choice because of how insanely much he loves Emily.
It also obviously relates to Wuthering Heights. Catherine loved Edgar in a way, but the way that she loved Heathcliff was too powerful for words.
As she said, "My love for Linton is like the foliage in the woods; time will change it, I'm well aware, like the winter changes the trees. My love for Heathcliff resembles the eternal rocks beneath; a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Nelly, I AM Heathcliff!"
LOL, sorry for the long post!
My only question is why didn't she choose Edward instantly over Jacob? Why did she go behind Edward's back to see Jacob? Why did she write secret letters to Jacob? Why did she call and check on Jacob? Each time Jacob walked away on his own (a fact that is conventiently forgotten) SHE would not leave him alone. She knew the damage she was causing to Jacob and refused to leave him be! Granted I could knock the holy hades out of him for going back to her. Jacob shouldn't have given her a second thought, but I get it.
I believe Edward belongs with Bella, just so people understand. My whole point was if Bella loved Edward to the point of self destruction then letting Jacob go should have been simple.
Just as the situation with Sam, Leah, and Emily in comparison to Jake, Bella, and Edward. Sam easily (of course it hurt and what not) picked Emily over Leah. He did not drag Leah along. Sam did not rush back to Leah every chance that he could. Rather he let Leah go because he didn't want to hurt her more. Which is exactly how the Edward, Bella, and Jacob thing should have gone. Sam choose but Bella refused to choose as quickly. She should have just spared them both of pain and placed Jacob and Edward first rather than herself.
Again. I.Understand.The.Story. I just do not see Bella as a saint. Never have. Period. I was sick of her hurting Edward. I was sick of her hurting Jacob. Maybe after a fifth or sixth read then my opinion could change of her. Until then Leah remains my favorite chick and Bella remains my least favorite. Althought I LOVE hearing various opinions on the saga. I really do respect them.
Again I will admit that Bella has good qualities such as her determination and drive. I admire the way she protected her family. Other than that I'm not sold lol.
I don't AT ALL think Bella is a perfect character. that's why I love her. Because I can relate to her. Bella loves Edward so INSANNNNELY much, but she's still a human being. And because of that, giving up her ENTIRE family, her friends, and her HUMANITY, is still a HUMONGOUS sacrifice. Anyone would be very sad over having to give that all up. Eclipse makes her a more real, deep, dynamic character; in my opinion, Eclipse made her comparable to some of the great heroines of literature, because she finally felt sadness over her sacrifices. To me, it wouldn't have made sense if Bella just rushed into becoming a vampire, without ever thinking about, or feeling heartbroken about, what she was giving up. She wouldn't have been REAL if she acted that way. She would have been too perfect. Her love for Edward is so strong, that even though she's giving up EVERYTHING for him, she still says, that she "never had a choice." There was never a decision in terms of what she would do; however, in Eclipse, she learned to understand the CONSEQUENCES of this decision (that was already made). It makes her love for Edward soooooo much stronger in my opinion that she fully understands these sacrifices, yet has the strength to proceed. Most people would NOT have the strength to give up EVERYTHING for true love. That's the point of Wuthering Heights: Catherine loved Heathcliff with her entire heart and soul...but she was too weak a character to make any real sacrifices. So, she took the easy way out. And living without Heathcliff killed her rom the inside out. Bella is the anti-Catherine in that she has the strength to make the ultimate sacrifices for love.
A lot of people think that its "easy" to "follow your heart" and throw away a practical option. For any real human being, this is NEVER easy.
But, the message of Eclipse was extremely clear. Bella sees herself and Edward as one being, and she cannot exist without him. The way she loves him goes beyond love. Its a force too powerful for words. Its a love so strong that it causes her to make unimaginable sacrifices.
Sam DID feel a LOT of remorse and unhappiness over what he did to leah. In fact, Jacob said in Eclipse that he still reflects on this sadness (the way that Bella reflected on her sadness in eclipse). Jacob said that Sam hated the vampires BECAUSE of what happened with Leah. Him turning into a werewolf caused him to break leah's heart and because of this, Jacob says that he "hates himself", and "hates the vampires."
Its never easy to leave someone that you care about, even when you care about someone else so immensely more.
I wish that I could see Bella as you do lol. I honestly and truly do and I am trying. It's just certain aspects of her character I have a hard time overlooking. The sacrifice of her family isn't something I could do for someone else. Unless it was to give my own life to save them. There is absolutely nothing that I would not do for my family. They are my life line especially after the ish I've dealth with over the past 2 years.
However, Bella did want to become a vampire. She was more than willing to make those sacrifices and she was willing to instantly give it up in Twilight. Even at the end of New Moon. Without much regard to Charlie or Rene but Edward is the one who wanted her stay human. I was thankful that she felt something about it later on. It did show her as human, but I find it hard to see her sacrifices as uber noble. My main example is Charlie in Breaking Dawn. She knew that she would have to let Charlie go, but again (as she did with Jacob) she was going to drag him along. Until Jacob (heaven love him) forced her to do something about it. I understand her losing Edward made their love stronger but my mind still returns to her having to choose. She didn't do it right away. That alone is enough to tick me off and find it very, very hard to see her in a good light.
I like Edward. I love Jacob. Her lack of "guts" to make a choice bothered me. Just as when Edward proposed she had second thoughts. Here she has been the entire time, professing that Eddiekinz is the love of her life, but she questions marrying him? If it were the love of my life asking me to be his wife, I wouldn't hesitate at all. The pain that she inflicted on Edward and Jacob is what makes me dislike her SO much. The fact that she KNEW what she was doing drives my dislike even farther. Typically when you are harming someone, and you know it, you are suppose to stop. She didn't. I wanted to slap her. Until Leah chewed her out in Breaking Dawn. Goooo Leah!
The hardest thing to do is follow your heart. Especially if you are like me and you question it all the time. And especially if you don't trust it they way you use to.
Of course Sam felt a ton of remorse and unhappiness. Who wouldn't? But my point is he didn't bounce between Emily and Leah, feel guilty for it, and continue doing it. He was noble and man enough to make that choice and cut Leah loose. That is why I can't hold a grudge with Sam. He did the right thing when it came to Leah and Emily. Bella refused to be that kind to Edward and Jacob. Just how I feel :-)
I adore Leah and find her to be my heroine of the saga because of this....when her heart was shattered, and she was left broken on the floor what did she do? She got back up and didn't lean on someone else to make herself feel good. True she was bitter but when my own hole appeared a couple years ago...I was bitter too. But for Leah, Sam was the love of her life.
And this is long again LOL! Sorry!!
See, I guess our difference in opinion is that I don't think that Bella went back and fort AT ALL. At every step of the way, she said she NEVER HAD A CHOICE. There was never a question in her mind, or in anyone else's, as to what she would do. However, she did have trouble actually letting go of being human. She had trouble letting go of her human life, and letting go of Jacob. I just CAN'T fault her for that, even if she did end up hurting people. In life, sometimes you're selfish, and you end up hurting people, even when you don't want to. That's the point of Eclipse. Bella grows up, and understands that she can't keep hurting people. She understands that she can't have it both ways: she can't have Jacob as a friend, and marry Edward. So, she does the mature thing, and ends her friendship with Jacob. There was never a choice as to what she would do (she always makes that clear), it was actually getting to DOING it that was hard. And again, I can't blame her for that, because if I had to give up my entire family (I love them like you love your family), I can't say that I would do that easily. It would be unimaginably hard for me, like it was for Bella. With Sam, the other thing to remember is that he didn't have to give up an "easy choice." Sam didn't have to become a vampire (LOL), so there weren't any real sacrifices to make (other than giving up Leah). With Bella, she had to give up Jacob, and the LIFE THAT HE REPRESENTS: A life in which she could keep her parents in her life, and a life in which she could stay HUMAN.
All Sam had to do was break up with Leah. What Bella had to do was INCOMPARABLY harder. She didn't just give up one person: she had to give up EVERYTHING that she's ever known to become one of the undead!
When it comes to marrying Edward, Stephenie Meyer has said MANY times in many interviews that the ONLY reason Bella was hesitant, was because she thought it was embarrassing to get married at 18, as Bella said in the books (LOL!) She thought that everyone would make fun of her, and she HATES being the center of attention. But once she actually saw Edward's face during her wedding, as she said, "Nothing else mattered but that I could stay with him."
I also love Leah :) I felt sooo bad for her, I could never hate her the way some people did.
I think that is where our opinions differ so much too. I do see Bella as going back and forth, and why I see her a selfish little itch. Jacob walked away from her at the end of New Moon. What does Bella do? Leave him alone? Of course not! She sends letters via Charlie to Billy to give to Jacob. Numerous times, until Jacob responds, my little love sick alphaman. Then she keeps his response in her back pocket. Edward specifically says that he doesn't want Bella to see Jacob. That being around Jacob was dangerous (which I found seriously hypocritical of Edward to say) and what did she do? Listen to Edward? Nopers. Respect his concern for her? Hale no! She went behind Edward's back and snuck off to La Push. Finally at the end of Eclipse she makes her choice. Then Edward, in all his noble ish, sends Jacob a wedding invitation. Holy.crap I cried! Then I screamed and lost my Edward obsession lol. When BD rolled around Bella was still calling Seth and crew about Jacob. After poor Jake ran away in wolf form to escape the pain SHE inflicted! Instead of letting Jake go, once and for all, she is still trying to pull him in. Jeez I wonder why Jakey kept going back to Bella. Of course she wouldn't think of him on the honeymoon. That would just be wrong. Although Jacob, a broken headboard, and feathers all around does send my dirty little brain into a fury.
Bella wanted to become a vampire though. That is my point with that subject so I find it hard to see her sacrifices as noble. She wanted it so I don't really see it as a sacrifice. She was already willing to give it all up, family included, way before Eclipse. There was never a choice, as you have said, but she just inflicted so much pain on people. It would be different for me if she stopped, but I grew tired of her constant b***hing and griping over the guilt she felt for hurting Eddie and Jakey. I'm sorry. If you feel guilty then um here's an option...bleeping stop! I enjoyed watching Bella grow up but I found ever step forward she took, she fell back three flights of stairs. And it wasn't due to her clumsiness. Example, Charlie in BD again. She was already planning a way to keep him in her life and be a vampire. The whole cake and eat it too syndrome. Even though it goes straight to your thighs.
I believe that Sam gave plenty of sacrifice. First, he is the one and only wolf for a while. He imprints on Emily. He shatters Leah's hopes and dreams and has to let her go. Leah was the supposive love of his life and they made plans together. Even if he did imprint he still felt guilty afterwards. Leah WAS his "easy choice" obviously because of the imprinting. Was the love for Emily stronger than Leah? Yes it was, but (my opinion) their threesome kinda follows Bella and her men. It's still the same basic love triangle except I found Sam way more noble than Bella. If Bella had just let Jacob go, instead of remind me every five flipping pages that she felt guilty, maybe I would feel different.
I know that her hesitation came from embarassment but still. Come on. Edward proposed to her and she didn't say yes instantly? Instead she needed to think about it? Oye. Good thing you can't slap the hades out of fictional characters otherwise Bella may not have made to BD.
Where you felt anger for bella, I felt sympathy and understanding for her.
I see her sacrifices as SO much harder than Sam's, because she had to give up her ENTIRE family, and human life for Edward, AND break Jacob's heart, whereas all Sam had to do was break Leah's heart. To me, there's no comparison, Bella had to sacrifice literally more than anyone has ever sacrificed EVER. She literally had to give up her humanity, and everyone she's ever known. Sam didn't have to do any of that.
When it comes to Charlie, she was very clear with him, that she may not always be around, and if she had to leave, she would definitely leave. It didn't bug me that she brought him into the mix, because it was always on the condition that if she had to leave, she would go. (Plus, it was JACOB who told Charlie in the first place, and risked Charlie's life! LOL!). And, I can't blame her for trying to keep her father in her life, if there is a way! She still lost her mother, who she basically raised for seventeen years!
It comes down to the fact that I can really sympathize with how hard it was for Bella to have to give up everything and everyone. I can sympathize with her trying to hold onto her humanity until the end. She loves Edward "more than anyone has ever loved anyone", but her sacrifices still blow me away. I can't blame her for trying to hold onto her human life for like a total of 2 months (which is about how long Eclipse spanned).
In terms of the wedding, I would also be embarrassed about getting married at 18, even to the love of my life! LOL, I also HATE being the center of attention, and love blending in with the background...I can really relate to her when it comes to that!
In the end, I felt the most respect and sympathy for her because she had to give up everything for Edward, but she had the strength to make those sacrifices in the name of love, all the while knowing that from the moment she met Edward, she couldn't live without him. Did she hurt some people along the way? Yes. But with everything she had to give up, I can't blame her for trying to hold on for a little bit longer.
LOL, I say we agree to disagree! I have a feeling we'll just keep repeating ourselves!
I defintley have to disagree on the sacrifice part (I'm sorry!!) I don't find Bella's sacrifice anymore heroic than Sam's. Bella did have to give up her parents which is sad, but again she wanted that. As for Sam, he did give up his humanity, the love of his life, and any future plans they made. He never wanted that. He did give up his life to protect the Quilette tribe. Just simply breaking up with Leah, in my opinion, doesn't even begin to cover it. Plus he left scars on Emily, because he had to give it all up when he transformed. I feel sympathy for him actually lol. I just don't see much of a sacrifice for Bella. Edward is the one that wanted her to hold onto the humanity. She wanted to be a vampire and she got it.
I was so proud of Jacob when he brought Charlie into it. I was even happy that Bella could to keep her dad for a while. The bottom line for me with Bella, is I found her just to be incredibly selfish. It was typically about what she wanted and to hell with everyone else. I was infurated with her treatment of Jacob. I was boiling mad with her treatment of Edward. I just don't believe she deserved either one of them. The only time I sympathized with Bella was in New Moon. I know what that burning, empty, hole feels like. I know what it's like to just lay in the dark and pray for the ability to breath again. Even if it hurts to breathe. I know what it's like to go through every single day as if it were a dream. That is also why I am SO darn peeved with her. She loses the love of her life, he comes back, and she doesn't let Jacob go? Bella doesn't hold onto Eddie and never let go? What the ish? lol. If you asked ANYONE who has lost a loved one, what they would do if they could have them back, I seriously doubt they would say "I want them and my best friend too" I would cling to my lost loved one like it was nobody's buisness.
But yeah. I think you are right, we can just agree to disagree! Sure was fun though!
You adore Bella. I want to slap her upside the head! It's all good! LOL! But Bella does have a few good qualities. So I will give her that much.
Yup, I say we agree to disagree!
bye! :)
Thanks so much for sharing all your great thoughts!!!
Anya
Jacob only ever asked for Bella. Everything he did was to get her to admit how she felt and to choose him.
Really, I shouldn't be this shocked by how hard people are on a really nice guy, but somehow I still am. I guess Perfect McSparkleson makes all other men seem like sore losers.
Frankly, you can have him. There are at least a few of us who prefer the nice guys to the "perfect" ones.
She felt the need to make Jacob be uncharacteristically evil to make Edward (who does many, many illegal and creepy things) seem like the correct choice.
Also, keep in mind that we hear the majority of the story via Bella. It's a mistake to assume that her perception is always correct.
Obviously, kissing somebody against their will is assault. But what if it wasn't against her will? What if she just wouldn't admit how she honestly felt?
And I can only speak for myself but I'd way rather have my smokin' hot best friend kiss me than my undead bf disable my primary mode of transportation.
I'd be like, "Sorry, Edward. My other ride is Jacob Black. Catch you later, sucka."
But yeah, it just comes down to preference.
LMAO!
Let me say it again so it's not mistaken I.Do.NOT.Hate.Edward. I happen to like him.
I think for some people, as myself, the turn off is when he pulls over the top stunts. Such as, disabling Bella's truck. That part just rubbed me the wrong way.
I guest everyone is affected differently by what happens in these books. :)
Poor Edward. I so love him. He's the only one IMHO that stays true to himself. Bella and Jacob both go nuts. lol
And she makes out with Jacob, then honestly tries to get Edward to give up the goods... What the heck is that? He's a vampire, not a self-loathing gigolo.
Obviously, she's not so awesome with the lads.
=)
But I think people love the character Edward because he's their idea of perfection (which is how Stephanie wrote him no doubt) He's their and Bella's utopia. But Jacob's not perfect he's pushy but I think he's so much more beautiful inside than Edward. he sacrifices so much for the girl he loves who loves someone else. the way they fall in love could have been beautiful if she would have open her eyes. But Im happy she ended up with Edward she didn't deserve Jacob.
The whole Edward/ Bella thing is so disturbingly cold and contrived. If I had read the series when I was younger, I would have been completely terrified of falling in love. It just seems like nothing but work and sacrifice. It's not like it's real love just because it's epic.
Maybe people have different experiences of love. Maybe they think love at first sight and the ensuing infatuation is better than a natural, comfortable, and easy love. That's their prerogative, I guess. I'll just never think of Bella as anything besides a completely blind, self-absorbed fool stuck with a jaded dead guy with a messiah complex in a "small but perfect piece of forever."
Gag me with a spoon.
The only time I've cried is like you--at the end of Eclipse. I cried at work all night long off and on. It was pretty pathetic... but I felt Jacob's pain in Eclipse and I felt it in Breaking Dawn too. The kid is the most real person in the whole story to me. My compassion lies with him much more often than Bella or Edward.
I feel that now Kristen knows how huge the fanbase is, that she'll actually try harder and preform better. Twilight was just a low-budget Indie film when it first started. The fans are what made it so popular.
I already believe it will be better than Twilight.
With the whole Jacob thing....just so I have this correct. He deserved to have have heart broken? How does anyone deserve to be hurt? Bella bugged the ish out of him to speak to her again. She could have left him alone. If I recall he tried to stay away from her but SHE pulled him back in. Several times. Even if I did want to throw the book at him and say wake up.
Poor Jacob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeDDqDe1ayw&feat...
I feel like it speaks Bella's point of view!
When she returns from her honeymoon, she doesnt ever see Jacob as the second love of her life. She's just happy that he's in her life again.
Im not sure why people think her relationship with Jacob should dominate the NM movie. I TRULLY BELIVE ECLIPSE ILLUSTRATES THAT MORE. They spend somethink like 6 weeks together IN NM (not including the time they are apart). She spends 1 week in a like coma stage, then 4 months mourning Edward. AND she's constantly thinking about Edward (even while with Jake) eventhough she says she cant think about him. So...I guess we just have to wait and see what the directors do with this movie.
Sephenie said in an interview that Bella does love Jake. Well, sorry Steph...You didnt convince me. LOL
thanks.
I don't want to offend anyone else, but i think its an age thing. As you get older, you realize that things aren't "black and white." There are so many different ways to love people, all in different depths and magnitudes. However, loving, or having loved, other people, does NOT lessen the way you feel about your "true love."
The way that Bella loves Edward is truly inexplicable...its the kind of love where they would literally DIE without each other.
Like she says in Breaking Dawn,
"nothing else mattered but that I could stay with him."
If you go back to the night at Port Angeles with Jessica she actually wakes up without Jakes help. She says that the pain had not weaken over time but that she had grown strong enough to bear it. People give Jake too much credit for her mental wellbeing. Bella finds the healing within herself and Jakes friendship is a bonus. The delusions of Edward is what keeps her going. The idea that he cares for her and to hear his voice makes Edward real to her again. You can see this especially when she visits the Meadow without Jake. She seeks that relief from the 'voice' in her head.
The Bella that fell in love with Jake was a Bella that didn't have Edward. When Edward comes back she cannot force herself to give Jacob up in Eclipse, even though Edward wants her to let him go. She had the choice to dilute Jacob's feelings easier in time (she knew how Jacob felt, even in New Moon) but she didn't. She pursued their friendship even further, again, KNOWING that Jacob is in love with her. It wa selfish of her, but she wasn't *trying* to hurt anyone, therefore I can't fault her. Stephenie Meyer says Bella didn't give Jacob up because she was in love with him as well and denied it. Denying it made it easier to live with. In the end all three of them hurt each other in different ways, they're all victims and perpetrators.
Two soulmates for two different lives.. if Edward were out of the picture Jacob would be hers. That's what Stephenie is trying to show the reader when Bella kisses him and sees the potential life she was giving up. Never once does she ever consider Jacob *over* Edward... EVER.
I still think Jacob suffered the most overall, though. I really like the kid, so I can't help but have immense compassion for him.
When it comes to NM, Bella's "hallucinations" were no help to her. They pushed her to the point of insanity, and they ended with her jumping off of a cliff. Jacob served a different purpose- he tried to "save" her from this, but in the end, she just couldn't live without Edward, no matter how anyone tried to "save" her. If she hadn't gone to Italy, I guarantee that Bella wouldn't have been able to stop herself from jumping off the cliff again, and she would have died in one of her attempts. The temptation of seeing Edward's face again would have been to great, and she wouldn't have been able to resist.
And she's not insane or even heading in that direction. She's morning Edward's absence. The 'voice' only makes thinking about him bearable. She's not hearing voices (plural) just Edward's. Jumping from the cliff and Harry's passing brings her life into perpective. She finally realizes that she has to let go of all the foolish things she was doing and 'growup'. And she admits that letting go of Edwards ' hallucinations is the right thing to do. Although at that moment she cannot make the decision because she finds its 'painful'.
Again, that's the entire point of NM. She tries and tries...and TRIES to live without him, but in the end, she just can't. That's what she learns, and that's what she explains in Eclipse.
She would have moved past Edward in time *if* Alice never returned. Why? Because she thought Edward didn't want her. Edward didn't croak... he didn't get kidnapped... he didn't move to an out-of-state college. HE LEFT HER.
Bella's time with Jake was allowing her to become a whole person again. Her dad, her school friends, no one even came close to Jacob's progress with her. She was almost to the point where she was going to let herself be with Jake. It didn't take her long to even reach that point... because Jacob *is* that soulmate in a world without Edward.
She "uses" him because he is so good at being her personal sun... and it's partly *because* of Jacob that she wouldn't kill herself over Edward. She didn't cliffdive to kill herself, she did it because it was something reckless to hear Edward's voice. She fought to reach the surface, she didn't just let the tide take her willingly. When she was on the brink of death she was only accepting it because she didn't have a choice, she knew she was drowning. After this jump... she's in the truck with Jacob and he has his arm around her. Does Edward's voice say "Don't get too close to him" ?? No. He says "Be happy." This is her hallucinating heart speaking to her in his voice. Her HEART was telling her to be happy, even without Edward. Which is why she stiffened up then, because it freaked her out. A happy life without Edward? She thought it was impossible. But little by little Jacob was proving her wrong... he was helping her to help herself. She was indeed living without Edward... in fact she was learning to be happy again. Her hallucinations weren't yelling at her anymore for being stupid... they were encouraging her to be happy. She was on the mend. She was finally moving on.
Edward on the other hand would be losing out on his soulmate... so do I like this scenario of Edward staying away and Jake and Bella being happy together? No. I want all three of them to be happy, and there is only one way for that to happen, and it does.
When Edward comes back in New Moon there is no hope for her... she knows Edward's true feelings and why he left. *THEN* is when she knows she truly can't live without Edward. The only window of time Jake had to win her over was in New Moon before Alice came back. But Alice ruined it so... lol. It's a good thing her and Jake didn't get in any deeper because Jacob's pain would have been ten times worse.
but, also, what she says in Eclipse REFLECTS the understanding that she gained. During NM, she didn't fully understand that attempting to live without him, is futile. This is an understanding that she gains via her experience apart from him. Its an understanding that she fully explains in Eclipse.
She's not trying to kill herself.
And no one can argue that they are ment to be together. The books all really lead to the idea that they were created for each other. That they share an all consuming love.
I also thought that this was made very clear in the book, when Bella said over and over again that being with Edward is the only way she can live, she can't live without him, she can't be away from him, etc, etc.
In that water, after the cliff jump, Bella said herself that she "gave up" trying to fight, and just enjoyed the beauty of his face. There's no doubt that she would have attempted to see his face again. I call that an indirect suicide attempt: She almost died during the cliff jump. While people may not call that a direct suicide, it still would have been death BECAUSE she was trying to hold onto Edward.
NM is all about trying to live without him, but ultimately failing. Again, its very thoroughly explained in Eclipse, and in NM.
I say we just agree to disagree, LOL!
On another note, I thought Renesmee explained a lot of Bella's inability to let go of Jacob even pre-BD. It was as if Jacob had to be kept close to enable Renesmee to exist as his love and devotion to Bella is important in keeping Bella alive during her pregnancy at various points (he keeps the wolf pack from attacking, he offers the suggestion about feeding her blood and he keeps her heart pumping while Edward ummm... bites her). Its Jacob's love for Bella that enables Renesmee to come into being who is actually his true mate. It was a bit like it was all fated.
So its more like a supernatural quadrangle then a triangle!
I really dont think Bella uses Jacob in NM. She's always honest with him about Edward. The fact that she keeps Jake around is in friendship and she admits she loves him as a friend. She makes mistakes such as holding his hand, the hugging, etc. And she tries to reign back that aspect of their relationship but he doesnt let her. In fact, he says its ok that she doesnt feel the same way. I have a hard time having male friends because its never enough for them. So I can understand that aspect of the story.
1) An Alice POV would blow me away!
2) An Em, Jazz, or Rosalie POV (but not all three, that may be too much)
3) Edward POV during the breakup, when he's away from Bella, the call telling him that Bella is dead, his trip to Italy, while hunting Victoria, proposal, hell all of it! (Hope Stephenie writes NM from Edwards POV she could add #1 and #2 to this book. WOOT!)
4) Share more on Edwards story. Even with Carlisle telling part of it, it doesnt seem enough. Is it just me or does it seem like Edward has more money than anyone but Carlisle? Why does Edwards burning more painful than necessary? Etc.
5) Bella as a vampire during the blood craze days. This would add to their love story more in the fact that she trully had to sacrifice her humanity for him. Burning two days doesnt do it for me. Does she really lose anything?
6) Wish she would have developed Edwards and Bellas love story more thoroughly. Especially after all the confusion with the Jake mess in Eclipse. Sometimes I get the feeling that they are actual opposites and that she should be with Jake. lol
7) Explain why Edward proposes to Bella after she gets his family to agree to turn her instead of when his talking to her and telling her what she means to him.
8) Details on the honeymoon, sorry Im not that creative! lmao (not in a sick way, this must of been tough all around)
9) Edward POV in Eclipse or BD, man he's in so much pain. Wish we could 'hear it'. lol
10) Develop the ending were Edward can hear Bella. I love this part but wish we could understand what he feels to be able to experience it.
I would settle for NM being re-written from Edwards POV.
People need to take the series for what it is. . . Bella Swan's story.
1) I do however wish Stephenie would add to their love story by showing Edwards side. Obviously, Bella can't explain what the characters are doing when she's not around. I agree, she should write some (if not all) the books from Edwards POV. I say that in several posts.
2) Regarding Edwards burning, I mean when he was transformed. Carlisle says it was more painful than necessary...why?
3) Regarding the proposal. Why didn't he ask her BEFORE the vote? He knows he cant live without her. He loves her more than his own life. Why the wait? Again, this would be answered if she rewrote the books from his POV.
4) Regarding the honeymoon, Im didn't mean actual acts. Stephenie does explain some of Bella's second honeymoon and would it be so terrible to do that again? Hell, she has a vampire breaking from inside her and Edwards uses his teeth to free Renesmee? How is that 'clean'?
And thanks for suggesting I re-read the books. I DO all the time and enjoy them each time. I love the fact that I get new ideas each time. Probably will never put them down. lol
Carlisle does speak about why it was so painful for Edward . . . he tells Bella it was because he didn't know what he was doing as it was his first time changing anyone. He had to go off the wounds that had been inflicted on his body and this was a very painful process for Edward due to Carlisle's inexperience. The fact that the more venom that is put into the person being changed the quicker the process goes is a trial and error process for Carlisle, something that obviously isn't perfected even when Bella is changed.
I think the context of sex is different than the whole birth scene for the publishers. Idk why . . . but I believe that Stephenie said in an interview that this is the reason she couldn't put a lot of details about their honeymoon in BD. She has also said that she was under immense pressure from her publisher to end the series with book 3 but went to book 4. I think she will eventually write more . . . once some of the pressure from the Twilight saga had died down a bit.
The cool thing about this Saga is that every reader takes away similar yet different things from it based on their own life experiences.
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I'm really pumped for New Moon...
Kristen completely understands the story. I LOVE her.
He has to leave her. He's a vampire and Bella's human. They cannot be together...PERIOD.
The way that Bella loves Edward is so incredibly strong that its beyond words. But, she had to sacrifice everything for him. In Eclipse, she came to finally understand what she was giving up. Like Stephenie Meyer said, it makes EB's "perfect true love stronger". Bella fully understands what she's giving up, which makes her sacrifice that much more powerful. She can't survive without Edward, and in Bella's own words, "Its like Sam and Emily...I never had a choice."
I get the feeling from all the missing information especially in NM that she might.
I like Kstew, but Im doubting her commitment right now. Im sure Summit is banking on making BD but I doubt KStew will sign on.
As for Robert-I love the deleted scene "She's not one of us" from the DVD. I love how Edward is suffuring over Bella. Makes their love story more...real.
PS - Can't wait for the movie - and I love this site! Thanks for your hard work!
Bella is Jacob's soulmate. Bella loves Jacob. Bella and Jacob kiss. Jacob fantasizes about Bella. Jacob offers his "stud" services to Bella. And...Jacob ends ups with Renesmee?
Why Stephenie, why? lol
I dont think that Stephenie developed their love story well enough. Which is why I still have doubts that she loved Jacob the way a man loves a woman, its more like true friendship.
About the whole Jacob kissing thing. I wasn't too upset about the fist kiss. He's 16, has not experience with girls and he's desperate. What I did hate was the second kiss. He manipulates her by threatening to kill himself. It's even worse because he knows she's now engaged to Edward. Jacob let it go man!
About the whole Edward overprotectiveness. I TOTALLY get it. First of all, thats not the reason why he wont allow Bella around Jake. First, he's jealous. He doesn't want her to bond any more with Jake. Second, he's worried for her safety. And he's right, Jake is dangerous. He doesn't want her to get hurt and he doesn't want her dead. He knows what if feels like to think she's dead and he wants to avoid that kind of pain. Third, he suspects that she loves Jacob. He tries to get her to choose, but again that's too painful for her and decides to give her some room. Fourth, he tries to leave Bella again. Yes, he does! ha, ha, ha. Remember the camping scene, he tells Jacob that he asked Alice if Bella would be better off with Jacob. And he also tells Bella that she doesn't have to chose him. How much more selfless can he be? Finally, he LOVES her. Why the heck would he share her. lol
But..lets not get ahead of ourselves. This happends in Eclipse. heheh
p.s. (to clear something up from the comments above) I do not, nor will I ever, condone Jake forcibly kissing Bella. I would have done way more than punch him. I still love him though.
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I wish Stephanie had made Bella go through the whole vampire blood craze days so we could experience her sacrifice and also see Edward and Renesmee bond. This would add to their love story in a different dimension. Edward would learn to love Bella in a whole different level which is what happens in real life. Its kinda like when you love someone its not constant, you learn to love them more as time passes. And Bella's sacrifice would allow us to like her more and sympathize with her like we do in NM, rather than hate her for everything she did to Jake because she gets everything in the end with so little incovinience.
I do wish that I could go back and find sympathy for Bella. I REALLY wish that I could see her sacrifice. However after Eclipse I was fresh out sympathy and understanding. *points way up at comments* On a plus side, I don't full out hate her. I enjoyed what she did to protect her family and her determination is admirable. She knew what she wanted and didn't stop until she had it.
Eclipse. And I hated some of the lines she delivers in BD.
Can someone please explain Edwards reaction in Italy when he sees Bella (not when he thinks she's dead, but after). He seems so...distant? I get the whole just happy to hold her, but doesn't seem enough. I would love to hear what Alice tells him.
Stephenie please, please, please rewrite NM from Edwards POV!
Yeah, I would love to see Nessie and Jake have kids and what 'gift' they would have. A werewolf that can read minds and shield themselves? That would be powerful. lol
Would also answer Leah's question as to why they Imprint. Billy thinks its to make more powerful werewolves. I forgot what Sam thinks, but he had another theory.
And oh yeah, Jake will die someday. Hmmm
Ugh! I don't want to think about this anymore. lol
Unless I can't understand English and I believe I do,the conversation between Bella and Edward sounds:
B: Do you do that a lot?
E: Just a past couple of months.
So you're wrong ;) Maybe you have a different version of the movie :P
I love Bella's character, too -- she IS human...questioning her love for two different people. That could happen to any human if the moment presented itself! It is my understanding that Edward will ONLY be drawn to Bella because that is who he is destined to be with, and Bella IS questioning b/c she IS a human. She was hurt when he left, and became vulnerable to Jacob. Try and put yourself in her place, gals! The good news is that she CHOOSES the right one in the end!
I LOVE Twilight!!!
You gotta admit that if Edward didnt exist Bella and Jacob wouldve been great together. I reckon that no one should blame Jacob for loving Bella because she is meant to be his soul mate after all, but Edward comes in the story & everythin gets all muddled up. Im not sayin I dnt like Edward or anything coz he is great and he loves Bella which is the mst important thng i gues.
I am kinda mad at Bella once i think about it because she is just so selfish when she wants both Jacob AND Edward as company. I mean if she loves Jacob why cant she just pretend not to need him so much when she is around Edward and vise versa because when she talks about Jacob in front of Edward.. or when she talks about Edward infront of Jacob this kills them both.
When I was reading the Saga I loved Edward but I have always had a soft spot for Jacob because I know what its like doin wat he does. In BD Edward kinda realize how Bella needs Jacob and how Jacob needs Bella.. He knew that if he died when he shouldve that Bella and Jacob wouldve lived happily eva after as they should.
I love them both but Jacob is definitely my favourite out of the two. If you like Edward better then I dnt hav a problem with that coz obviously he is the leading man. One thing though I hope that all the Twilight Fans out there would see how Jacob is just as important as Edward.. I mean he did help Bella through her darkest moments in NM and even turned his back on his pack in BD in order to save her life.
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I am just glad that Jacob is happy in the end because if he didnt get his deserved Happy Ending I wouldve been really mad! Everyone needs a happy ending coz without Love life is pointless.
Plz reply Bree x